Views Archives - Poker.org https://www.poker.org/category/views/ Poker news Wed, 02 Aug 2023 20:33:23 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.2 https://www.poker.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/cropped-POKER.ORG-ICON-32x32.png Views Archives - Poker.org https://www.poker.org/category/views/ 32 32 Poker in a time capsule – Palm Beach Kennel Club https://www.poker.org/poker-in-a-time-capsule-palm-beach-kennel-club/ Wed, 02 Aug 2023 20:33:22 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40942

It could be the setting of a post-apocalyptic movie – in the “Deserted Shopping Mall” genre. Visualize a massive building, with seating for hundreds of patrons, looking out over a huge dog track with a giant fountain and pond in the middle. A parking lot fit for a premier Westfield property. Playing host to a […]

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The Run It Up t-shirt that introduces me to people https://www.poker.org/the-run-it-up-t-shirt-that-introduces-me-to-people/ Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:07:00 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=44448

(With Jason Somerville’s long-awaited re-emergence onto the poker scene, it seemed like a good time to celebrate one important aspect of his contribution to the game: t-shirts.) Before Andrew Neeme and Brad Owen Let’s go back in time for a moment. A time before Ethan “Rampage” Yau. A time even before Trooper made his way […]

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Former Main Event champs in subsequent years… Who has done the best? https://www.poker.org/former-main-event-champs-in-subsequent-years-who-has-done-the-best/ Fri, 07 Jul 2023 20:51:06 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=43632

One of the most interesting things every year at the WSOP Main Event is to monitor how the former champions do. Some are consistent performers who we see every year, while some have drifted away from the game of poker after having achieved the ultimate prize already. I went into the history and checked how […]

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Matt Hunt: “Nobody playing high stakes poker has as much money as you think”  https://www.poker.org/matt-hunt-nobody-playing-high-stakes-poker-bankroll/ Wed, 05 Jul 2023 14:44:37 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=43546

The sums of money thrown around in high-stakes poker games these days are eye-watering. In February, Patrik Antonius and Eric Persson played an almost $2m pot on the No Gamble, No Future show. At the end of May, Tom Dwan won a $3.1m pot, the biggest in televised poker history. Meanwhile, it seems like everyone […]

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Chris Moneymaker ready to recreate magic at the 2023 WSOP https://www.poker.org/chris-moneymaker-ready-to-recreate-magic-at-the-2023-wsop/ Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:54:52 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=43448

This is part of a series of content to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Chris Moneymaker’s historic Main Event win – look out for regular columns from Chris and special features all the way through to the 54th Main Event, which is shaping up to be the biggest of all time. This is the most […]

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PokerOrg Heaters & Coolers | June 19 , 2023 https://www.poker.org/pokerorg-heaters-coolers-june-19-2023/ Mon, 19 Jun 2023 18:11:51 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=42750

We’re roughly halfway through the 2023 World Series of Poker, and this is when silly season begins in the best and worst ways. Like how about Chris Brewer turning the tables on all the bad luck he’s faced, Shaun Deeb serving his doubters their just desserts, Benny Glaser making it a high five, Chance Kornuth […]

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Chris Moneymaker: “You’re never going to find a tournament like this” https://www.poker.org/chris-moneymaker-youre-never-going-to-find-a-tournament-like-this/ Mon, 12 Jun 2023 21:34:49 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=42482

This is part of a series of content to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Chris Moneymaker’s historic Main Event win – look out for regular columns from Chris and special features all the way through to the 54th Main Event, which is shaping up to be the biggest of all time. We’re only a few […]

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The WSOP rises to its feet, and to its best self https://www.poker.org/the-wsop-rises-to-its-feet-and-to-its-best-self/ Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:16:00 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=42481

It’s been almost 30 years since I attended my first World Series of Poker. It’s been through innumerable modifications since then, including two venue upgrades. And on the whole, I’d say the changes have been for the better. Of course, I’m not referring to the substitution of $5 bananas for a sumptuous (and free) player’s […]

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PokerOrg Heaters & Coolers | June 12 , 2023 https://www.poker.org/pokerorg-heaters-coolers-june-12-2023/ Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:09:01 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=42460

How is anyone concerned with anything hot or cold when there is a monster on the loose? Yes, Ike Haxton finally did it, Josh Arieh did it again, a Badugi bracelet is finally a thing, Mickey Doft made us all proud, and Chance Kornuth took a tough one from his business partner. But…again…the monster is […]

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Tales from the Gladiators arena https://www.poker.org/tales-from-the-gladiators-arena/ Sun, 11 Jun 2023 08:40:49 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=42428

The $300 Gladiators of Poker event has been talked about and anticipated since the 2023 WSOP schedule was announced months ago. There was wide speculation that the lowest buy in price ever for a bracelet event would come close to or even surpass the largest live tournament ever which was the 2019 Big 50 which […]

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PokerOrg Heaters & Coolers | June 5, 2023 https://www.poker.org/pokerorg-heaters-coolers-june-5-2023/ Mon, 05 Jun 2023 17:43:00 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=42093

Lot to be hot (or hot under the collar about this week). Maybe, you know, the biggest streamed pot in history, some folks pulling milly fire in the WSOP Mystery Millions, the baddest-ass guy in poker winning gold, Ronnie Day having more than a day, and the Chainsaw cashing for the 100th time. After all […]

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Matt Hunt: “This is the unspoken reality of the WSOP” https://www.poker.org/matt-hunt-this-is-the-unspoken-reality-of-the-wsop/ Mon, 05 Jun 2023 13:33:16 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=42085

It’s that time of year again. For the past few months, anyone with even the slightest interest in tournament poker has been planning their trips to Vegas and picking out the events they want to play, either at the WSOP itself, or at one of a number of other venues around the Strip. Despite all […]

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Who Will Make the 25k Heads Up Final Four? https://www.poker.org/who-will-make-the-25k-heads-up-final-four/ Sat, 03 Jun 2023 17:43:22 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=42031

Who will make the final four of the most prestigious heads up tournament in poker? Today at 12 noon the Round of 16 for the $25,000 Heads Up No-Limit Hold’em championships get underway and what a doozy it is with several big matchups, with players looking to get into the money by advancing to the […]

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PokerOrg Heaters & Coolers May 29, 2023 https://www.poker.org/pokerorg-heaters-coolers-may-29-2023/ Mon, 29 May 2023 18:05:07 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=41863

Don’t pay any attention to the almanac, because this week marks the official start of summer as the WSOP kicks off. That means it’s hot, except for when it’s not. We have both in the last week with some incredible generosity to Cody Daniels, Bin “The Win” Weng playing two WPT final tables and winning […]

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Behind the scenes of the HCL $1 million game https://www.poker.org/behind-the-scenes-of-the-hcl-1-million-game/ Mon, 29 May 2023 15:52:37 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=41851

I arrived at the Hustler Casino Live’s (HCL) $1,000,000 buy-in cash game early on Day 1, the first of what had been hyped as five consecutive days of must-see nosebleed TV.  I took a moment to scan through my Android as I watched the production crew hustle to set the stage. The haters on Twitter […]

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Chris Moneymaker: “20 years ago everybody thought online players were terrible” https://www.poker.org/chris-moneymaker-20-years-ago-everybody-thought-online-players-were-terrible/ Thu, 25 May 2023 15:09:23 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=41633

This is part of a series of content to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Chris Moneymaker’s historic Main Event win – look out for regular columns from Chris and special features all the way through to the 54th Main Event, which is shaping up to be the biggest of all time. Poker’s been good to […]

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PokerOrg Heaters & Coolers May 22, 2023 https://www.poker.org/pokerorg-heaters-coolers-may/ Mon, 22 May 2023 21:21:35 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=41460

The poker world had a little heater this week with much more of the good stuff than the bad stuff. To wit: the friends who have played together forever and all won WSOP Circuit rings (oh, and Maurice Hawkins took his record back), the Wynn Wrecker being too good to believe, Spraggy establishing his own […]

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PokerOrg Heaters & Coolers | May 16, 2023 https://www.poker.org/pokerorg-heaters-coolers-may-13-2023/ Tue, 16 May 2023 16:22:29 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40981

Most of us have been left with few words and even less humor since learning about the death of legend Doyle Brunson. As we all processed what Brunson’s death meant to us, we temporarily set aside other celebrating any other greatness and our normal cringing at the cringe-worthy. Nevertheless, we must still recognize a guy […]

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Doyle Brunson: When words aren’t enough https://www.poker.org/doyle-brunson-when-words-arent-enough/ Mon, 15 May 2023 20:52:36 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40897

Doyle Brunson passed away yesterday. Saying those words out loud doesn’t feel real. He was and will forever be an icon, a legend, and an inspiration to me and so many others. When you embrace the world of the written word for a living, there are some days you don’t feel good enough. Today is […]

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Poker room review: MGM National Harbor, in the shadow of the Capitol https://www.poker.org/poker-room-review-mgm-national-harbor-in-the-shadow-of-the-capitol/ Sat, 13 May 2023 18:40:00 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40221

Washington, D.C. – a tough act to follow If you’ve never been to Washington, D.C., you owe yourself a trip – the nation’s capital has a natural, organic buzz that puts Las Vegas to shame. Go look at the Lincoln Memorial – heck, go stand right where Martin Luther King, Jr. gave his “I have […]

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I was a 5th grade Nik Airball https://www.poker.org/i-was-a-5th-grade-nik-airball/ Thu, 11 May 2023 20:54:00 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40725

When I was in fifth grade, I felt–for lack of a better word–unseen.  I was smart but not as smart as the really smart kids. I wasn’t too ugly or too good-looking to be noticed as a monster or a pre-teen heartthrob. I couldn’t grow a beard like my early-puberty and holy-shit-hirsute best friend who […]

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Matt Hunt: “The path to poker success isn’t blocked off – it just looks different” https://www.poker.org/matt-hunt-the-path-to-poker-success-isnt-blocked-off/ Wed, 10 May 2023 13:07:15 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40617

There’s a lot of talk these days about what the road to ‘becoming a poker pro’ looks like now, in comparison to days gone by. Where once it used to be possible to run up a $50 deposit playing micro-stakes and eventually end up playing in Bobby’s Room, the rags-to-riches stories seem to be few […]

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PokerOrg Heaters & Coolers | May 7, 2023 https://www.poker.org/pokerorg-heaters-and-coolers-may-7-2023/ Sun, 07 May 2023 20:23:10 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40424

Well, that was a week. We’re not going to call it a good week or bad week, but it had seven days of fire and ice-cold takes, hearts, and decisions. We heard about it all in the hottest thing on the tubes, Twitter Spaces. That happened to be the first place Matt Berkey and crew […]

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WPT Seminole Hard Rock Ladies Event crowns an unwelcome champion https://www.poker.org/wpt-seminole-hard-rock-ladies-event-crowns-an-unwelcome-champion/ Mon, 01 May 2023 02:05:06 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40106

Yesterday, amid a full schedule of World Poker Tour tournaments, one event that many players look forward to was on the schedule. The Ladies Event is a favorite of many women in poker, often circled on calendars well in advance, and sometimes the sole event some women plan to play. The vibe of these events […]

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Introducing: PokerOrg Heaters & Coolers https://www.poker.org/introducing-pokerorg-heaters-coolers/ Sun, 30 Apr 2023 21:04:28 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40093

For the past couple of months, the people inside the PokerOrg offices have been like most of you who keep up with the poker world’s news. Our discussions are like yours–what’s good, what’s bad, and most of all what’s the best and worst of what we’ve been seeing. Over time, these discussions evolved into an […]

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From chaos to redemption: the High Stakes Poker season 11 premiere https://www.poker.org/from-chaos-to-redemption-the-high-stakes-poker-season-11-premier/ Sun, 30 Apr 2023 17:12:29 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40038

The poker community is currently experiencing a war of insults fired among some of its most respected and recognized leaders. That war, like World War I – partially triggered by a single mad assassin – has been caused mostly by a handful of new and directionless berserkers. So it was with more than a little […]

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PokerGO might have just saved televised poker https://www.poker.org/pokergo-might-have-just-saved-televised-poker/ Fri, 28 Apr 2023 10:55:14 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=40012

Sixty hours ago, I learned that PokerGO had said yes.  I’ll be honest: I didn’t expect a yes. PokerGO’s people had assembled what amounted to every media company’s dream cash game line-up. Beyond that accomplishment, PokerGO controls the High Stakes Poker brand, and one could argue there isn’t a going concern in the poker world […]

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What to expect from PokerGO’s special edition of High Stakes Poker https://www.poker.org/what-to-expect-from-pokergos-special-edition-of-high-stakes-poker/ Wed, 26 Apr 2023 15:19:03 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=39707

Has there ever been a better time to be a fan–casual or otherwise–of high-stakes televised poker? Somehow, it’s about to get even better. Tomorrow, Thursday, April 27th, PokerGo will live-stream a special edition of its flagship program High Stakes Poker. It’s going to be a game for the ages. The lineup announced last week by […]

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Matt Hunt: “Selling action in high-stakes games is not a cop-out” https://www.poker.org/matt-hunt-selling-action-in-high-stakes-games-is-not-a-cop-out/ Fri, 21 Apr 2023 18:53:00 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=39586

This is the first in a new series on finances and variance in poker from pro player and Solve For Why instructor, Matt Hunt. If you’ve been active on poker Twitter over the past month or so, you’ve probably borne witness to a seemingly endless series of heads-up challenges being issued between various pros and […]

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Poker dealers: please announce bet sizes https://www.poker.org/poker-dealers-please-announce-bet-sizes/ Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:55:43 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=37103

In my recent travels around the United States to review poker rooms, I’ve been reminded of an unfortunate habit that many live poker dealers have: they don’t announce bet sizes until/unless another player asks. For example, we have Player A and Player B in the pot. Player A slides out a stack of chips, there’s […]

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Poker room review: Talking Stick Resort – big spaces, big action https://www.poker.org/poker-room-review-talking-stick-resort-star-of-the-southwest/ Tue, 04 Apr 2023 14:15:00 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=35296

If you’ve never been to the American southwest, you owe yourself a visit. The vistas are stunning, unlike anything else you’ll find until you start exploring Africa or the Australian Outback. When you’ve had a day full of wandering the Sonoran Desert, your hotel room and poker game at Talking Stick Resort in Scottsdale are […]

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Listen: Poker podcasts that aren’t about toxic feuds, lies, and cheating https://www.poker.org/listen-poker-podcasts-that-arent-about-toxic-feuds-lies-and-cheating/ Tue, 28 Mar 2023 17:59:10 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=36816

Need a break? All this back and forth, he-said/he-said, meet-me-outside, toxic race to terrible got you down? Want to listen to a poker podcast about…dare we suggest it? Poker? Here are some recent poker podcast episodes we enjoyed and how you can listen to them. The Breakdown Poker Podcast – “Maybe Fedor Had To Do […]

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Horse or Heros: does the order matter? https://www.poker.org/horse-or-heros-does-the-order-matter/ Tue, 21 Mar 2023 13:44:11 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=36997

Mixed games have a rich history within the poker community. The games usually provide a vibrant, fun, entertaining atmosphere. Players are happy to chirp and engage with one another. In many ways, mixed games have held onto the social dynamic that many feel No-Limit Hold ‘Em is losing in the GTO, solver-heavy, modern fields. If […]

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Andrew Neeme’s thin line between success and failure https://www.poker.org/andrew-neemes-thin-line-between-success-and-failure/ Sun, 19 Mar 2023 14:42:51 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=36542

It had been one of those sessions. Midway through, I’d value-owned myself for $650 – I’ll never know if it was a good bet or not.1 But poker goes on, and I crawled back until I was stuck “only” $800. The hour got later, then earlier. Around 2:00am, I promised myself one final orbit and […]

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Duck Snorts and Suckouts: Luck and skill in our once and future national pastimes  https://www.poker.org/duck-snorts-and-suckouts-luck-and-skill-in-our-once-and-future-national-pastimes/ Fri, 17 Mar 2023 19:48:46 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=36790

It’s been fifty years since baseball could fairly be called America’s national pastime, though it did retain the title for well over a century, from roughly 1830 to 1972. If the damaged brains and shortened lives of football players ever get too much to stomach, baseball could reclaim the crown, though futbol and basketball, and […]

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Creators you should know: BigFishNoShrimp https://www.poker.org/creators-you-should-know-bigfishnoshrimp/ Wed, 15 Mar 2023 20:27:53 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=36183

There is a staggering amount of poker content being produced at the moment, so much so that it can sometimes be difficult to find creators that you resonate with. This month, PokerOrg will begin highlighting creators who have small, but loyal fanbases and with plenty of room to grow. We want you to know these […]

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Is Nik Airball poker’s new super-villain? https://www.poker.org/is-nik-airball-pokers-new-super-villain/ Mon, 13 Mar 2023 19:27:52 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=36592

It’s hard to believe now, but there was a time when Nikhil ‘Nik Airball’ Arcot didn’t make a lot of noise. Arcot arrived on the poker live stream scene in a relatively quiet fashion. His first few appearances on Hustler Casino Live were, for the most part, unremarkable. There were few people that could have […]

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Meeting a hero: Nate Silver https://www.poker.org/meeting-a-hero-nate-silver/ Wed, 08 Mar 2023 22:54:34 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=34208

Meeting your heroes can, indeed, be a fraught experience. Thirty years ago, I randomly encountered one rock ‘n roll hero (a household name) and simply expressed my appreciation for the musical joy he’d given me. You’d have thought I said his glasses were out of style. On the other hand, ten years ago, Rod Stewart […]

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How to stop Real-Time Assistance in live poker https://www.poker.org/how-to-stop-real-time-assistance-in-live-poker/ Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:34:47 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=36184

There is a virus attacking poker. How the poker industry and community react to this attack will inform the ongoing health of our game. You’re probably aware of at least some of the tools available to find Nash equilibria for (“solve”) no-limit hold’em hands. Two of the most popular, “PioSolver,” and “GTOWizard,” are terms you […]

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Is poker a sport? The debate continues… https://www.poker.org/is-poker-a-sport-the-debate-continues/ Sat, 25 Feb 2023 23:15:00 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=36123

Trying to get an answer to the question – is poker a sport? – is like drawing blood from a stone. It’s far from straightforward and depends on who you ask.  In this article, we present the case that poker is undoubtedly a mind game that can be regarded as a sport based on the […]

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Poker road review: In praise of the non-casino hotel https://www.poker.org/in-praise-of-the-non-casino-hotel/ Thu, 16 Feb 2023 23:43:28 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=34232

It’s been a while since I’ve stayed in a casino hotel in Las Vegas. In fact, we’re probably going back to the early noughts, as the casino hosts’ memories of my days as a blackjack high-roller decayed, and the comp offers stopped showing up in the mail. Somehow their recollection of my high-rolling outlasted their […]

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Caitlin Comeskey drops love letter: “No one is safe” https://www.poker.org/caitlin-comeskey-drops-love-letter-no-one-is-safe/ Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:31:43 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=35636

There are certain things these days that we have a hard time waiting for. A new episode of “The Last of Us,” the next angry Steve O’Dwyer tweet to Lufthansa airlines, our opponent to act when we’re all in and bluffing with our tournament life on the line. Caitlin Comeskey’s brilliant comedy videos have made […]

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Jonathan “apestyles” Van Fleet battles YouTube in mystery account deletion https://www.poker.org/jonathan-apestyles-van-fleets-battles-youtube-in-mystery-account-deletion/ Fri, 10 Feb 2023 20:44:00 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=35599

Poker pro Jonathan Van Fleet (AKA “apestyles”) has spent two days trying to figure out why years of his YouTube content suddenly and mysteriously disappeared. The thousands of hours of poker gameplay and study content that Van Fleet spent years creating have seemingly been lost to the void. After going through the normal channels and […]

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What your Superbowl bet says about you as a poker player https://www.poker.org/what-your-superbowl-bet-says-about-you-as-a-poker-player/ Wed, 08 Feb 2023 16:11:50 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=35623

The Superbowl kicks off today at 6:30 pm EST between the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles. Many a poker player has seen their roll dwindle at the hands of the sportsbook. Still, The Big Game tends to get our action. I’ve talked to quite a few poker players about their action on the game. […]

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Man assaults woman at poker table – I do nothing https://www.poker.org/man-assaults-woman-at-poker-table-i-do-nothing/ Sat, 28 Jan 2023 18:09:54 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=34862

I am ashamed of myself. The scene I was in what should have been a perfectly fine no-limit hold’em game at Talking Stick Resort in Scottsdale, Arizona. There was the usual cast of characters, most unmemorable. But as I spent more time at the table, I noticed a weird dynamic taking place. In seat #5 […]

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Do you want to know the dark side of poker https://www.poker.org/do-you-want-to-know-the-dark-side-of-poker/ Sat, 28 Jan 2023 09:17:37 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=34938

On any given day, there are bad things happening in poker rooms around the world from San Francisco to Sydney. There are poker operators–both live and online–who have to deal with those embarrassments and scandals. The vast majority of those operators say nothing publicly about what they’ve investigated and discovered, and their silence, many will […]

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Poker Room Review: Gila River Lone Butte – One Beautiful Game https://www.poker.org/gila-river-lone-butte-one-beautiful-game/ Fri, 27 Jan 2023 21:24:08 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=34820

Ultimately, the point of a poker room review is to get you into a great card game. So the centerpiece of this review is a great poker game – specifically a $2/3/6 no-limit hold’em game in which I spent exactly eight hours. But we need to set the scene… Preamble The first thing I did […]

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Pierre Kauert eliminated from WSOP Circuit Main Event in a chopped pot https://www.poker.org/pierre-kauert-eliminated-from-wsop-circuit-main-event-in-a-chopped-pot/ Wed, 25 Jan 2023 01:32:07 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=34828

Everyone loves a chopped pot, but first, you have to notice it even happened. On a big stage, under lights and cameras, with serious pay jumps on the line, no one noticed a big one that led to a player being eliminated when he should not have been. At the World Series of Poker Circuit […]

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Ben Adler, Las Vegas Poker Pro, One Year On – Part 1 https://www.poker.org/ben-adler-las-vegas-poker-pro-one-year-on-part-1/ Wed, 18 Jan 2023 19:09:41 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=33295

Impossible as it seems, it’s been a year since we began chronicling the ups and downs of Ben Adler. Ben left a dead-end restaurant job in Chicago and moved to Las Vegas to become a poker pro. As he notes, it’s not all sunshine and rainbows. But he’s still there, still grinding, and he’s got […]

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Poker room review: Is the Wynn the best poker room in Vegas? https://www.poker.org/poker-room-review-is-the-wynn-the-best-poker-room-in-vegas/ Tue, 17 Jan 2023 21:54:21 +0000 https://www.poker.org/?p=34158

There’s a lot to love While regulated live poker is available all across the United States (just ask this guy), Las Vegas is, without doubt, the highest concentration of poker rooms in the nation. Even in a poker-rich region such as the Los Angeles basin or the San Francisco Bay area, you might have to […]

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